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Offline Noel C

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Re: Hawaii
« on: June 21, 2011, 01:30:17 PM »
Jack,
 Have you ever considered doing those ties in 3 foot? I believe that would be 2 5/8ths inch wide in 7/8ths scale. The sugar plantations in Hawaii used movable track like that but they were all 3 foot.
Not all the Hawaiian sugar cane roads were three foot. There were 2 foot, 30 inch, and some other odd gauges.
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 02:20:08 PM »
Not all the Hawaiian sugar cane roads were three foot. There were 2 foot, 30 inch, and some other odd gauges.
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As far as I know all the Oahu fields were 3 foot. I'm not sure about the other islands because I haven't spent a lot of time researching them.
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2011, 04:28:19 PM »
Going to the Library to get out my Conte books  rofl rofl  No seriously. Will get back with the info.
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 09:50:07 PM »
I have sugar trains pictorial and next stop honolulu. Very sweet books. In addition I have my very good friend Uncle Jeff Livingston who together with the HRRHS spends many many hours at the bishop museum pouring over the documents left by the OR&L and various plantations rail road operations.
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 06:12:05 AM »
Aloah Rick
 Following from Conte's book Sugar Trains.
Ewa Plantation Co, Ewa, Oahu   36in ga
Heeia Agricultural Co, Heeia, Oahu 20in ga
Kahuku Plantation Co, Kahuku Oahu 36in ga
Waianae Sugar Co Waianae, Oahu 30in ga
Nearly all Oahu sugar roads were 36in ga because the OR&L RR was 36 in ga. There were a couple of exceptions.
20in ga Heeia was long gone before 1900(?) and the Waianae lasted until 1944/45
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 08:43:21 AM »
There's an amusement park near me that has a live steam railway. At least a few of the locos are from sugar plantations......I think one is from Hawaii. I'll have to get a photo for you when I go this year. They are 36 inch gauge.
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 12:47:21 PM »
Just rode behind a 3 foot gauge Hawaiian locomotive on the Georgetown Loop Railroad.
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Steam Engine  No. 12 The Baldwin Locomotive Works of  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania completed locomotive No. 12 on February 19, 1929. It  was a steam powered locomotive. In the 1950s, it was the last steam engine  still in use by the Kahului Railroad Company, hauling sugar cane, pineapples  and other freight. When Kahului Railroad began using diesel locomotives, the  No. 12 served as a backup.
Possibly going to Iowa in exchange for WSLCo #9 Shay now on the property and being overhauled.
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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 02:23:05 PM »
SGH, thats a nice looking engine, is there any additional information I can look up including pictures on it?
 
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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 04:55:21 PM »
Maui has a similar loco called Myrtl.

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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 05:00:11 PM »
Whoops,,, wrong wheel configuration. Maui is a 2 4 0 I believe the other one is a 2 6 2 ?
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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 10:49:12 PM »
Myrtle was a Porter 0-4-0T that was rebuilt in the 1970s by Keystone Locomotive Works in Pennsylvania into a 2-4-2, more recently a 2-4-0 with the removal of the trailing truck. Anaka, the other loco active on the line was rebuilt at the same time. I seem to recall a story that the rebuilds ran short of funds and rather than building a new tender, the tender from scrapped Kahului #11 (also a Baldwin 2-6-2) was overhauled for Myrtle to use.
 
I only saw Kahului #12 once, and that was during her stay at Silverwood Theme Park in Idaho. The loco had been recently used to cover for Porter #7, the line's regular power and had not been put away. The crews at Silverwood did not seem to be enamoured of #12, preferring the slightly older and smaller #7 for whatever reasons. I recall talk of steaming problems and a cranky air compressor, but that was a few years ago...
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Re: Re: Hawaii
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 11:01:36 PM »
Hi,

Try: http://www.steamlocomotive.com/prairie/?page=kr for specs.  Search Google Images using "georgetown loop 12"

Apparently there was a shay with the same number.

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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 05:44:02 AM »
A few years ago I was on Maui and rode that train.
It was a nice train ride although it followed the highway
for a distance.

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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 09:26:09 AM »
Rode behind Myrtle and Anaka in 1970 while stationed at Tripler Army Med Center. Only trains running in Hawaii at that time other than the pineapple train from the Doyle plant to the docks across Nimitz highway on what remained of the OR&L. It only ran late night. Bunch of sailors derailed it with their auto because they were pretty intoxicated and the driver swore that there were no trains in Hawail. No one killed, but they were pretty beat up.  2fun 2fun 2fun 2fun We patched them up in the ER and sent them back to their ship.
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Re: Hawaii
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 12:02:32 PM »
I am the only person who spent 20+ years in the Marine Corps and was never stationed or visited Hawaii. I found some images that might be of interest. One is a flimsy flume and another image shows a trolley, which we haven't yet discussed. The book is in the jpg title, long out of copyright
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